#FabInIndia: the onus is on Vedanta to be transparent and grounded and on MEITY to be fair

The latest “attack” on India’s PLI scheme comes from Bloomberg Andy Mukherjee, someone known to hate India in general and Narendra Modi govt in particular. In his latest piece which is also mirrored here, apart from some specific examples attacking PLI scheme, he also writes

“However, it’s unclear if India has given serious thought to costs and benefits. Take the recently announced joint venture of Taiwan’s Foxconn Technology Group, and the metals company Vedanta Ltd. to set up a $19.4 billion semiconductor factory in Modi’s home state of Gujarat. Last week, the administration announced that it would bear half the cost of such plants, at the top end of its plan of 30% to 50% support. As one opposition politician noted, the Foxconn-Vedanta project would cost the exchequer more than a rural jobs program that sustained 80 million Indians during the pandemic lockdown.”

Comparison of PLI scheme or semiconductor incentive scheme (which is technically not a PLI) to social benefit schemes is totally out of place – in short, the difference between “giving the fish” and “teaching how to fish”. Also, even if one were to compare with the social benefits rolled out by the Modi government during the pandemic, why quote only the figures from “Rural job guarantee scheme”, the free ration scheme is so far costing the government 3.91 lakh crore (close to $50 billion), there were subsidies given for vaccination program. Forget just the pandemic times, even in normal times, many things continue to be subsidized in India and the “burden” is on the exchequer

The need for PLI and semiconductor incentives have been covered by many including me in various articles and so not repeating those, however what is worrying is that suddenly the debate seems to have become more of political in nature. Knowingly or unknowingly, the way Vedanta has handled this so far and continues to handle it seems to have contributed somewhat to it

Fundamentally, my issue with Vedanta has been the lack of transparency and clarity. If they had chosen to simply explain that as “As of now it is between us and the government (MEITY), once it is all final and approved, we will tell you the details”, then perhaps it would been okay to some degree, instead, the path chosen seems to have been one of hype and confusion. I cannot vouch whether this is coming from Vedanta itself or the way media has reported, but here are some examples:

  1. Based on some quotes from https://www.cnbctv18.com/business/companies/vedanta-foxconn-semiconductor-plant-gujarat-anil-agarwal-independent-agency-selects-location-14722131.htm a report from 14 Sep 2022

“We will not be manufacturing laptops, mobile phones, etc., but we are going to create a cluster to encourage manufacturers,” . What exactly does that mean ? “create a cluster” ? cluster of what ?

2. In the same report, lets take another section

a) What does he mean by “all approvals were in place” when MEITY has not yet approved the incentives due from the Center even as of today (29Sep2022) much less on the day of the report ?

b) “First” product will be out in two years – which product is he talking about ? If it is semiconductor chips, a 28nm fab in India will take 1.5-2 years to construct the factory itself, then equip it, qualify it.. A comparable project is TSMC-Sony-Denso “JASM” fab in Japan. As per this report, construction started in April 2022 and the fab is expected to be operational by Dec 2024 – that is 2 years and 9 months. Sellable chips may come out only 3 years after construction start.. and this is for a project involving the worlds largest foundry TSMC with years of experience whose 28nm technology has been running in high volume production for many years now and it will be a “copy and paste” to Japan

Vedanta’s partner Foxconn on the other hand so far is not known to have any experience in any 300mm wafer fab (which includes 28nm). In fact this is a point where Vedanta has lacked transparency and was even asked by MEITY to provide details. On the one hand, to say that “Its Foxconn’s responsibility to get the tech” as though it is none of Vedanta’s botheration and on the other hand to make sweeping statements like “product in two years” does not augur well at all

3) Let me take another report – this time a full interview published on 08Aug2022 at https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/chip-plant-will-create-another-silicon-valley/articleshow/93382603.cms

First of all, why are you mixing politics and elections into this ? Secondly, that statement about 45nm in August and back to 28nm in September – are you even clear on what you want to do ? And finally, anyone with even some bit of semiconductor knowledge will laugh at your statement in 2022 that “28nm is still in innovation stage”. Making fun is not the intention here, when you are expecting billions of dollars from Central and state governments in subsidies, isn’t there a minimum level of “responsible statements” that one expects ?

4) Back to the 14Sep cnbctv18 report

If Anil Agarwal indeed said that, who exactly is he trying to fool ? There are semiconductor fabs in US, multiple countries in Europe like Germany, Italy, France, Israel, in multiple other countries in Asia like Singapore, Malaysia. Now, which Rs 1 lakh laptop currently sold in India (or in in the future) will have key chips (CPU/GPU etc) made using 28nm or 45nm that Vedanta’s fabs will reduce its cost by 60% or more ? Moreover, Do you even understand that the kind of fab you seem to have proposed is foundry model where you contract manufacture your chips for a different company that owns and sells them ?

By the way, it is in the same report/interview that you have said “We will not be manufacturing laptops, mobile phones, etc., but we are going to create a cluster to encourage manufacturers,”

Even if you meant that as a generic statement (“if there were fabs in India for advanced node chips AND Indian companies owning the IP and chip, the cost would have fallen”), there is no real basis for the kind of numbers he has thrown around- the onus is on him to explain how he arrived at those.

5) There has been an overemphasis of “Avanstrate” (we own the glass) as though the glass substrate is the only thing needed for displays. “Glass substrate” is only one part of the puzzle, much more happens on top of it – see https://icea.org.in/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Displays-Report_20.05.21.pdf . And how much is Avanstrate’s market share ? As per a 2018 report, 2.4%

Now, Foxconn does have a subsidiary – Innolux – experienced in display fabs. However, indications are that Innolux gets the substrate glass from Corning. Interestingly, Vedanta hardly mentions about Innolux in its press releases, but in the semicon conference at Bengaluru in end-April, in the session on display fabs alloted to Vedanta, it was someone from Innolux who explained technical aspects ! Assuming Vedanta may be getting technology from Innolux, whose glass will they use ?

6) Finally, the exact investment details have been very vague. There are different statements at different times – just search in the media and you will know what I mean. Sometimes its 2.04 lakh crore, the latest is 1.54 lakh crore, out of which some media has reported that 94K crore is for display fabs (but as per MEITY data released on 19 Feb 2020, from Vedanta and ELEST together, it got investment proposals worth $6.7 b only which is like 57K crore and Vedanta’s application may be for something like 30K crore only.. and the applications have been closed since 15Feb2022) and 60K crore for semiconductor fab and packaging unit. As per Vedanta’s 13Sep2022 press release

Now, what is that $2 billion “initial investment” all about ? For sure you cannot achieve anything close to a 28nm fab or the required capacity (40000 wafers per month) with $2b. I am not sure even if a display fab can be achieved by then. So then are you talking about start with packaging only ?

So much confusion, at least for the reader. One may say, such confusion and hype are part of how things happen in India – but then in a situation where you are expecting ten-thousands or even lakhs of crore from govt as subsidies, such lack of clarity can only hurt the cause, including other genuine applicants and India’s much needed and already late by decades efforts are building commercial fabs

The government- MEITY, its Ministers and even the Prime Minsiter- too has to ensure that the whole process comes across as transparent to the degree possible, fair (without bias) and based on technological considerations and not based on political or “playing to the gallery” considerations.

Another July and that gets me thinking..

This post is a small part of my life’s story and background of how and why I ended up writing in media since May 2020 on semiconductors and #FabInIndia and what next for me

The passion for wanting to see commercial fabs in India has been there since around the year 2000 or 2001 when I was in my final year of BTech at IIT Madras. The plan or hope was that I would do higher studies in US, perhaps work for a few years and by the time I came back to India (which eventually happened in 2008), there would be some commercial fabs here where I can work

There were ups and downs in my higher studies and subsequent jobs in the US and back in India, but eventually I ended up working in areas that could be considered close to my passion, sitting in India, in teams that would assist or complement teams abroad where the fabs are physically located. However, I still wanted to see commercial fabs come up in India – and if possible, many of them 

On the family front, I am an only child to my parents. Parents have been staying in Kerala, while my wife, son and I were staying in Bangalore at that time. Things were going rather smoothly when in April 2016, a few days after Vishu, my Father did something that I was least expecting him to do while my wife child and I were at my wife’s house, and my Mother was at her ancestral house.

The situation was temporarily managed, but as I got to know the reasons for why that happened, I realized that I was facing a situation with my parents that is perhaps unique or at least rare. 

It had to do with some behavioral aspects of my Father and its impact on my Mother which perhaps only a couple of more people close to my Mother knew. For whatever reason I was not made aware of this for so long by any of them (including unfortunately my Mother) and it shook me deeply and over the next few months I went into conditions that needed medical help. 

By July of 2016 the HR and local managers in my company sensed that I was not my usual self but they were very supportive, gave me a month’s leave of absence (August 2016) during which thankfully I got the right doctor and I was back to the office in September.  It took me a few more months to be back to my full energy and usual self

Despite all this once I was back to normal, my Father continued to behave the way he has been – he claims that it is in his genes and that we should just let him go his way, which meant my Mother would be left alone. My Father’s pestering me to “allow him to go his way” had again started and by 2019 it has started reaching levels where it looked like if not allowed, he would do nasty things

By June or July that year, he called me on phone and said he is going on a few days or weeks trip on his own (within Kerala itself), but I need not worry about either his safety or my Mother’s who is now ending up staying alone for a few days or weeks

And then on a Sunday morning (if I remember it right it was July 2019), I got an SMS from my Father saying “I have reached back home safe and fine” and I went about with my “usual” Sunday in Bangalore – was driving my wife and child somewhere. Then I get a call from a classmate of mine in Bangalore whose house in Kerala is close to my house asking “What happened to your Father ?”. 

Apparently my Father was found unconscious somewhere far from my house on Saturday, someone took pictures, found the address in his purse and circulated the pictures to whatsapp groups in the locality where the address was seen and that is how my friend got to know. My Mother and her brother (that is, my maternal uncle) had rushed to the place on Saturday itself and taken care of the situation but yet again, I was not even informed even on Sunday morning !

A lot of churn started happening in my mind and finally I took a decision to study my parents situation a bit more deeply and if needed attempt a move back to Kerala with my wife and child staying with her parents in Kerala (who are also now getting older), my child shifting to a school near my wife’s house (that was the one preferred by me and my wife and options are less where I stay) , me staying with my Mother and let my Father go whichever way he wants (can come home also when he wants) . That and a few other factors led me to resign my full time job by end of July 2019 and after a 3 month notice period, I was “free” from Nov 2019

By Feb/March 2020 Covid also started, so my travel plans to Kerala did not work out as smoothly as I wanted, but by then I had initiated a new house construction in Kerala closer to my Mother’s house. It is also about 1 hr drive to my wife’s house as opposed to my older house in Kerala which was about 2.5 hrs drive. 

We moved into the new house in July 2021, now most of the time my Mother and I are staying there – I keep travelling to my wife’s house whenever needed (average 3 times a week) and on some weekends bring them to my house (where my Mother and I stay). My Father comes home occasionally

Once I quit my job, i.e. from Nov 2019, I had the time to study more deeply about my long pending dream and passion – of seeing commercial semiconductor fabs in India. In the next about six months, I spent studying a bit, discussing with some folks who were involved some past attempts and some who I thought might be interested

I felt that a few points were missing or misunderstood by the establishment, the media and public at large. So I started writing in or contributing to the media from May 2020- for a long time with no salary or payment for the articles. In fact wherever it was offered, I had politely declined but after the government released the semiconductor policy an offer came as a paid contractual part-time consulting editor from the same medium that I had mostly contributed till then and I took it from Feb to July of 2022. Till date that income from the medium is the only money I have made in my #FabInIndia efforts – many suggested starting a consulting firm, but I could not make up my mind

What impact did my articles, interviews, statements in print media and TV etc have is for the world to judge. 3 years after I quit my job, but with an opportunity to do something for my passion (which I felt may be a contribution to my Motherland, but I am not expecting anyone else to take it that way) another July has come where I am now considering if I should continue to write in media and if at all, should it be strictly on educational matters and not on policy, opinion on proposals etc. I am also debating with myself if I should renew my part-time consulting editor post or go back to non-paid

While by and large many have appreciated my work, some have thrown accusations at me (especially when I questioned some through my articles or tweets), some have called me agents of some groups (I will challenge them to prove that I have taken any money or favors from them) and so on. It is likely that I may have some “enemies” also. 

That is part of life, I should perhaps just see the positive side of things – there have been many who helped me get here, be it through suggestions or proof reading my article drafts connecting me with the right people and so on or simply through words of encouragement – thank you to all of them

Horoscope and astrology is something that I was agnostic to when I grew up, but slowly as things started to happen almost exactly as predicted there, I could not ignore. There were challenges of making sure the astrologer one consults has to be genuine and Covid nearly has shut down some possibilities for me on that front. So I started learning a bit, some very basics and my own understanding is that from Jan-2023 to mid-2025, I am supposed to have “fear of imprisonment” 

So perhaps in my own personal interest, I should stop writing opinions – if not immediately, at least in the next few months. Writing educational articles may still be an option 

List of media contributions

Note: I may have missed some, and some “old” links may not work also.

I) Articles
A) Swarajyamag - link - 45 articles/interviews since 5 June 2020
Joint article(s) with Karan Kamble
B) News4Masses - link to articles page (since May 2020)
C) ORF - link - one article dated 14 June 2020
D) Moneycontrol - link to articles page
E) Economic Times
- Article on 15 Sep 2022 (or page 10 of e-paper)
- Article on 02 Nov 2022 (or page 12 of e-paper)
F) Deccan Herald: link to articles page

II) Quoted in Media
A) Economic Times - 17Dec2020, 28Aug2021, 5Sep2021, 17Dec2021, 27Dec2021, 18Feb2022, 03Apr2022, 27Jul2022 , 15Sep2022 , 21Sep2022, 22Sep2022
B) Business Today - 18Apr2022 (exclusive), 29June2022, 29Jul2022, 03Aug2022 , 21Sep2022 , 08Dec2022 , 12Jan2023 , 19Feb2023 , 03Mar2023
C) Moneycontrol - 03Mar2022 , 15Mar2022
D) Deccan Herald - 22Mar2022
E) AIM: https://analyticsindiamag.com/?s=mampazhy
F) The Straits Times (Singapore based) - 11Feb2023
G) Digitimes (Taiwan based): 21Feb2023 , 28Sep2023
perhaps also in this digitimes article, its paywalled for me
H) Swissquote (Switzerland based) May 2023 - pdf link (page 55 onwards)
I) Reuters - 26Jul2023 , 8Sep2023 (May be also mirrored/copied elsewhere)
J) SCMP - 11Jul2023
K) International Business Times - 24Jul2023 , 11Nov2023

III) TV Channel debates/opinions
A) DD News - 22June2020
B) CNN-News18 - 24June2020
C) NewsX - 23Sep2021, 27Sep2021, 15Dec2021, 31Jan2022, 16Feb2022
06Apr2022 , 13Apr2022, 13Sep2022 , 21Sep2022 , 1Oct2002, 11Mar2023,
13Jun2023, 12Jul2023 , 27Oct2023
D) WION - 27Aug2023

IV) Youtube Videos/Panel discussion etc
A) Swarajyamag - 1Oct2020, 21Dec2021, 10Feb2022, 23Feb2022 (Intvw of Minister)
B) Bharatvaarta - 25Jan2022
C) SEMIFAB - 23Jan2022
D) Presentation(s) at C3S- Aug 2023
E) Talk at Amrita University - Aug 2023

V) Question in Press Meet

1Aug2020 , 29Apr2022 (semicon India)

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